tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6267375340235122286.post179730684284624860..comments2023-09-23T11:31:41.140-04:00Comments on UGA Liberal: The Pelosi ProblemAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6267375340235122286.post-25789204271541514182009-05-16T02:47:00.000-04:002009-05-16T02:47:00.000-04:00Pretty silly there Dustin. We don't really kno...Pretty silly there Dustin. We don't really know what the CIA told her. And yes, they've been proved to be liars according to Sen. Bob Graham. Not only in content, but on their supposed dates that they previously claimed he was briefed. They claimed 4 times, he could prove only one with his famous obsessive personal notebooks of everything he had done during a day. NPR had the story too.<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/14/graham-cia-gave-me-false_n_203683.html<br /><br />So yeah, the facts need to come out before anyone calls for anyone to resign. She did try to stop torture. You just were not paying attention, (that's OK few were), and it was vetoed by Bush when it was not blocked by the Senate in an endless series of filibusters. <br /><br />And Porter Goss? Bush's deeply implicated & thoroughly corrupt & incompetent CIA Chief? (He was a corrupt Congressman too!) He was the main source of these leaks. Yeah, Believe in the Torturers, rather than the people who did stand in opposition to them. Should she have done better? Sure. But at the time the issue was going nowhere and was being played with as in political games with little prospect of much of anything being accomplished.<br /><br />For purists such as yourself? You'd much rather be seen as 'right' on the issue than actually finally getting the votes in Congress & the Presidency to DO something about it. Obama has. With a stroke of his pen. Now you can take issue with him too about how imperfectly he has done so. But without the votes in Congress & in the Presidency? We'd still be doing it wholesale & it would have expanded & metastasized everywhere.<br /><br />So yeah, I'll saying you & we don't really know diddly about what really went on, and that's a long & storied tradition with the CIA. So is lying for the President of your choosing. See: Consortiumnews.com Here's a start: <br /><br />http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/051409c.html <br /><br />But the entire site is filled with the Lost History of such CIA covert actions during the 1980's. I know it's a common conceit of youth to think that anything that happened before you were born or not covered by TV & mass media does not and did not really exist or was not too important, but such a background & context is really critical here.<br /><br />Especially if you want to call out any Pol for not doing this & that. Pelosi did not torture. She was not in the chain of command who ordered torture. She did not justify torture with a series of bogus or highly dubious legal arguments & justifications which reached far back into the 'divine right of Kings' to do whatever they saw fit to 'save' their kingdom. We ceased to be a nation of laws and became a republic of lies. <br /><br />And all you want is Pelosi to resign based on some marginal & incomplete reporting and some CYA by Leon 'Let's all try to get along' Panetta? Who's a neophyte at the top intell job & been there perhaps 60 days or less? He's relying on his staff, and has already told us that in effect, 'He does not know, and Congress should depend on an investigation of the matter to find out'. Yes, he did say that.<br /><br />And calling on Catholic doctrine of the 'Sins of Omission' here is perhaps the silliest thing on this matter I've heard all week. This from the folks who invented, codified, systematized & documented more tortures that are still with us today in order to 'defend the faith' before, during & after the Inquisition? It took them a full 500 years to try and issue a half hearted apology for their sins of omission! Perhaps the church could do no better. <br /><br />And yet you want still perhaps less than 6 souls (the Dem reps of 'the Gang of 8', the only ones briefed) to be sold down river for what their Corrupt Political Opponents have done? When they expressly LIED about what the military recommend here? Every. Service. Legal Dept. Head, JAG's on up & down DECLARED WHAT BUSH WANTED TO DO WAS 'ILLEGAL' AND CONTRARY TO THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS. From the Start. BUSHCO. COVERED THAT UP & REPEATEDLY LIED ABOUT THIS FACT. TO EVERYONE. FOR YEARS.<br /><br />If Congress had known this crucial fact, they could have acted better. Instead there was a cover up, and a trail laid down to then Implicate the Dems in their nefarious & illegal doings. BTW? Bush broke the law by Just informing a 'select' number of Congresscritters rather than The Full Committee, as authorized & directed By Law. <br /><br />So yeah, again, I know how hard it is to try and watch the bouncing ball what with the TV screaming about this or that juicy & exciting DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN from DEEPLY IMPLICATED & CORRUPTED SOURCES. But for college students? You guys have got to be doing better on the basic logic here.<br /><br />Why not wait for a full investigation, then try bloviating & screaming? But for the most part? This looks really silly & massively ill informed. Again. JMPJMPhttp://ft.comnoreply@blogger.com